*updated at 19th October 2010 - 8.30am*
Further to some interesting comments and remarks, okay I guess we may not necessarily need to tear down Victoria Institution then. Keep it as a heritage - but do shift the school out. The VI premises can perhaps be turned into a nice 'clubbing' area? What do you think?
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In the Budget 2011 that was announced last Friday, our PM Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak announced that the proposal to construct a 100-storey tower, called Warisan Merdeka at a cost of RM5 billion at the current Stadium Merdeka and Stadium Negara site, currently owned by PNB.
Malaysians over the country and perhaps even the world are having a big buzz over it. In fact, some have even taken further action with a Malaysians Reject 100 storey Mega Tower page on Facebook!!! While everyone is against it, I for one is super excited and positive about it!!! There has been some further news and information regarding this proposal - our Tourism Minister Ng Yen Yen came out and say some good words too - saying that it'll be a catalyst for tourism.
To me, in my honest opinion, and from an economist point of view - I think it is about time that the Government developed this part of town. I think that this is perhaps one of the best ideas to come out so far (apart from the MRT and those new highways as well) - in the past, the Government announced new developments all over the place, some being so far out, and some just dont sound right! To be a true metropolis, we have to have a more saturated development planning - instead of having many many many satellite cities and towns.
Anyways, I shall not comment too much on that. Instead, I want to talk about... WARISAN MERDEKA! =)
This... is the subject site. Can you see the Stadium Merdeka and Stadium Negara?
This site is somewhat on elevated grounds, and is easily connected through Jalan Maharajalela and Jalan Hang Tuah. Public transport wise - you have the Hang Tuah station as well as the Maharajalela LRT stations. Pretty convenient!
I think the development may somewhat look like this (refer below random sketch).
The Warisan Merdeka (I believe it will be at the Maharajalela-Hang Tuah intersection).
The site may be pretty large at 7.2 hectares surrounding the two stadiums. The two stadiums are expected to be preserved as heritage buildings, but it will be quite an interesting development and concept to see how they integrate with the stadiums. For RM5 billion - I believe we'll be seeing the likes of Cesar Pelli or Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) in action here.
While many people are rejecting the idea outright, my only concern is... WHY SO SMALL??? Seriously, why not expand further? See the sketch below...
This is the subject site and its surroundings.
If it was me, I think I will integrate it further and expand the whole development to a much larger scale integrated development. I have been born and bred and brought up in Kuala Lumpur practically all my life - and I am quite familiar with this part of town. My dad all the more lah. I see a lot of older buildings and areas - that perhaps, we should look at relocation to expand the land further. I think it is about time the SK Jalan Davidson and perhaps, even Victoria Institution to be shifted out of here. =) The Masjid Al-Bukhary is pretty new - so no point moving it then. But the schools should move, even the police station as well.
If it was me, I would expand the whole development - and make it look like this!
A much more massive development! =)
The black boxes indicates the Podiums.
The orange colour - hotels/hospitality etc.
The green colour - commercial developments, office suites, office blocks, SOHO etc. (mixed lah)
The indigo colour - residential elements.
The blue lines - indicate link bridges.
Click on the image and see the bigger picture.
The existing Stadium Merdeka and Stadium Negara sites are still maintained. I would propose for Stadium Negara to keep its existing function as a performance stadium. Stadium Merdeka meanwhile, perhaps to be converted into an open grass garden(?). The proposal perhaps see a building podium to be built around the stadium, and then build some commercial offices on top of it. Whats interesting here is that - we build over the LRT track, integrate in the two LRT stations, and then most importantly, link over to the Pudu redevelopment. Further north of the development, the police station - that should be shifted out and relocated away to make way for more development along Jalan Pudu.
The little square piece of land across Jalan Pudu (next to Berjaya Times Square) - get the developers to develop it - and then build a link bridge into Berjaya Times Square, and this side to the Pudu redevelopment. From the Pudu side, build the linkbridge over to the other side. All this - and then - at the top left of the image - note the linkbridge that links the entire development to Plaza Rakyat. This way - we're looking at more than 3.5million sqft of space. I think this whole massive integrated development would looking at a good 10-12million sqft of space.
Take this whole space up - add to the 7km shopping promenade as mentioned by PEMANDU's Idris Jala - that easily adds another 3km into the whole equation. And there you have it - Malaysia as the No.1 Shopping Haven for Asia Pacific. =)
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Anyways, back to the earlier part... so many Malaysians are planning to reject this development. Mmm... I dont know why they want to reject it so much - all I know is that, when its completed, all of these people who comment and make all kinds of negative remarks - will be queuing and be part of the massive congestion that is going into the new development.
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That seems pretty ambitious.
At the rate you are proposing, you might as well ask the Government to chase all the occupants/tenants away and demolish any buildings that are built before 1990 and make way for new shopping complexes, hotels, commercial buildings and more towers.
I for one think that we have way more than enough shopping center in KL itself. To date, I only visit a few shopping complex consistently while others, probably once or none since I came to KL four months ago.
I don't mind if its located way off KL itself, as it might bring up a new townships, housing areas and stuffs. It also helps to disperse the high density area within KL itself, making more reasons for people to shop within their areas and make the traffic less jammed.
Development is good, but do we really need another 100 floors tower?
Pray tell me, why do we want to be a "true metropolis"?
I hope that this post is meant to be a joke, coz this is gonna be how it goes:
20% of ur allocated tax money will go into this project.
80% of ur allocated tax money will go into someone's pocket. Unless $$ comes easy for u la..lol.
When will Malaysian politicians get over their inferiority complex (thanks for the legacy, Dr M) and stop thinking they need to send space tourists to the moon and have the world's biggest/tallest/etc? Start thinking of planning a liveable urban and suburban environments and then the admiration so obviously craved will result.
If this is an economic position you're taking, it doesn't sound convincing my friend. While I am sure there are metrics like time to revnues and job enhancement by the govt, this building doesn't solve any problems we're facing as a country.
jason - a new landmark can do us good mar...
kasim - it is for the long term good of kuala lumpur
evo - ahahaha $$ doesnt come easy for me ok. the % of funds... i got no comments.
tzuming - it doesnt solve any problems for the time being, but think of the economic spinoffs/FDIs/tourists money that comes in as well...
Dont you think that VI should be kept as a heritage building?
What statement is the govenment trying to make with this 100 storey building this time? Put M'sia on the map again!! What benefit does it bring M'sia to keep up with the tallest building records of the world? It's only going to be temporary seat!! Money could be better use else where.
Cindy
Quote from Master of Architect: Tadao Ando:
"You cannot simply put something new into a place. You have to absorb what you see around you, what exists on the land, and then use that knowledge along with contemporary thinking to interpret what you see"
If this was proposed by private insitutions (not government funds), then it sounds good. However, it is a huge RM 5 Billion funds taken out from Government coffers to fund this massive projects when our the funds could be potentially used for better development.
Sure, on paper it looks good for KL etc etc but where do we place priorities in country development?
Simple question..do we have enough schools (smart schools, universities, local colleges) in this country? This is the MOST important element of country development because without human capital..whatever you build will go to waste.
Every year, thoudsands of students who score good marks get rejected for public uni's cause of the perceived quota and lack of scholarships..is this being addressed?
You are lucky to be in a position where all this may not matter much to you but for the good of the country..wouldn't it be better if government development does not only consist of making the country the biggest/longest etc stuff and give the Rakyat the proper development it needs?
I'd rather they use this RM 5B to build 1000 more government hospitals so that more M'sians can enjoy medical benefits..
If we were to argue this could be good etc etc..why not take this entire RM5B to send a football team to moon and train there? It'll surely put Malaysia in the map of the world.
And for those who thinks this will be the tallest building in the world etc etc..it will not. Our buildings will need to be over a mile high to get this title now.
A new landmark can do us good, but what good does the landmark can do for us?
With investors are now flocking out of Malaysia and opting for our neighbouring countries like Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam and etc. as reported, who will be investing or setting up bases in Malaysia? New entrepreneurs or small business probably can't afford the rental at Warisan Merdeka.
And is it what shopping that attracts tourists to visit Malaysia? Are we truly a shopping heaven when most of the stuffs are from China and branded goods are actually cheaper in Singapore?
I for one is really impressed when our previous PM announced KLCC. Despite its corn shaped, it's a very beautiful building. Our Twin Towers could well be the most beautiful twin towers in the world and we should just leave it as it is instead of building another skyscrapers just because we can.
Not to mention, our road system here is piece of shit. Traffic gridlocks happen all the time. Building another tower is only making it worse. Public transport is somewhat hopeless; monorail that only has two errmmm... "boxes" and comes every 15min.
Our city planners here are made up of humans with pea brains; unlike in US, where buildings are actually built in blocks and traveling from one block to another is actually possible. Try telling a tourist to walk from Berjaya Times Square to Pavilion or from Chow Kit Monorail to Pavilion and you get the idea; where as in US, it would probably just walk down the streets for two blocks and you have reach your destination.
Just my two cents.
The building is nice on paper, practicality wise, it's probably not.
i am one of them that AGAINST that building.. with that kind of fund, why they do not want to build a better MRT system that ease the bad traffic in the city..
with alot of big cities, they certainly spend alot of money in their public transportation.. in becoming a shopping hub.. public transportation definately a must as I do travel a few countries as their develop nation.. they sure do have GOOD PUBLIC Transportation..like Taiwan, Aus, Hong Kong, Singapore. . That's what i think they gov should imporvise on instead of that building. . .
Mr ERic,
U seriously need to have your head examined. :)
With the current congestion in KL itself, it's gonna make things worse..
Planning as it is .. is ALREADY bad around KL... i dread to think this may lead to further problems... flash floods, jams ..
don't think about MAKING money..
the cash used to make this building can be used for:
1 upgrading general hospital services
2 building better public transport system
I'm sure more ppl can think of something else..
I hope the people around the neighbourhood bantah to this menara.
The gov has to listen to Raykat..
Eric,
Your idea is not what the the PM is proposing. I won't go to who will benefit from this project approval of 5B because we can never prove this under malaysian court. However I agree with M, its a good idea if its private funded development which is very much possible with malaysian developers capacity. Hell your proposal wont even cost more than 1 B to execute by private sector.
As for the MRT we a still very far back in terms of coverage & coverage efficiency. That is why people say there a better ways to spend those 5B.
The thing about megalopolis or even metropolis should grows naturally like trees in the forest. You force it to happen it will still happen but it won't be as good or as fast. Malaysian should have already learn a lesson on this as we have at least 2 forced cities within Selangor state itself. In case you don't know which then let me tell you its putrajaya/cyberjaya & shah alam. Fully planned township but one is a near dead town & the other which should be a very good town due to its good location but still fail to shine. In fact its now being caught up by puchong which is a naturally grown town in spite of the 10yrs head run shah alam had.
I hope you are not working for the government doing this blog. If you are sincere do at least put some thought on your topic. I looked in your article because I thought there maybe something I've missed out on the benefits of this stupid project. Seems like I've wasted my time.
Like I said your idea on the site is not bad but its something that can happen without the use of our budget. If the federal gov asked for a proposal from any developer I'm sure many will be able respond. Its after all KL city.
Haha too many comments to reply to.
I think if the Govt were to PROPOSE my 'plan', more people would support it instead of opposing it. Wont it?
No offense, what's the difference from your plan to the original one? Its the same, we don't need to further develop that area until there's a need to.
I like your irony and humour.
Might as well develop further in one go until Stadium Bukit Jalil.. And it will be a mega-metropolis.. Then we will have congestions all over the mega-metropolis and new satellite cities will be budding all over surrounding area of the whole mega-metropolis..
Eric,
I am not saying that you are wrong, but here is my two cents. I understand that you are looking foward to a "futuristic" / metropolis city, don't we all want that? The problem here is half the states in Malaysia are still living in a "kampung" state. If the government is trying to improve the economy, maybe they should improve the standard of living of people first. There are many many cities out there that require the very basic need of electricity, public transport and health care. Rather than spending 5B on a project that is of no help to the people, I would think that it is wiser for that amount of money to be used to improve/upgrade basic necessities.
Secondly, if the economy is in a state like it is now, who would want to visit Malaysia? People are robbing, stealing, pick-pocketing, you name it. You can build 10 of these white elephant and I can assure you that no one will want to come. This again, comes down to the point- improve standard of living first. Building this Mega-Tower is a very shallow and superficial way of trying to "boost/expland" economy. It's like wrapping a broken toy with present paper. It may last for a while, but not forever, the paper will eventually wear out and the toy will still be broken. Do ponder upon this.
Someone has mentioned this. This project has been told to people as a 5B project. And if you actually believed that... I think you're rather naive.
Nevertheless, I do not oppose the whole mega-tower idea completely. I think it is a rather good idea, just not now. This is not the time for such developement yet
Well, the thing is, KLCC finished in 1998, but until now, the constructions of other commercially driven projects around it has yet to stop!!! Look at Esso, G Tower, Platinum Park etc
Imagine another KLCC (Warisan), with the same spillover effects!!! I'm in line with Eric.
hm, 40 Billion will be used for the MRT Project, making me wonder why ppl are still asking for more money to be pumped into making the PUBLIC TRANSPORT BETTER
this project is in line with the aim to increase the Service Sector of the economy. Imagine top guns like Mckinsey, Morgan Stanley, Mega Middle Eastern Banks, all of them would definitely want to be a part of a building like Warisan Merdeka, should they enter an exciting region like South East Asia.
any comments?
hmmph...
5 billion...
(correct me if i'm wrong as my math is not as good!)
1 student uni fees = rm 2000 per semester
average semester spend in uni = 8 semester
total fee per student = rm2000 x 8 = rm 16 000
RM5 000 000 000 / RM16 000
= at least more than 300 000 students will enjoy their scholarship! =)
not opposing the idea of having a mega-metropolis what so ever..
but.. if you are lacking with competence people in the near future, does it worth it even to have big buildings with multi-corps in it?
*true story: even a dean's list student couldnt manage to score even ptptn loan OR scholarship for that matter..which clearly can ease the burden of the family...
oh malaysia ku!
Dear A thinker,
How sure are you that the Exons, Mckinsey, Morgan Stanley, Mega Middle Eastern Banks will come to the Warisan site?
Btw, the main reason why these companies are NOT here is because we lack Human Capital (PERIOD). We are churning out graduates who do not fit into the current world. Graduates who have no command over SIMPLE engilish.
Does S'pore have a 100 storey building? Then tell me, why are those companies more interested at S'pore? Mind you, Bangkok (despite all the troubles) is already miles ahead in tourism WITHOUT a 100 storey building. As we speak, Vietnam has probably overtaken Malaysia already.
So it boils down to my earlier post...HUMAN CAPITAL is more imprtant than a white elephant. 5B to build 50 WORLD CLASS universities would be a better option.
My 2 cents
to the anon. above,
yes, i thank God that the govt. is not entirely brain damaged. Should we start bowing down and worshiping them because they've decided to spend 40B on MRT project? NO. This is just part of their responsibility. In fact, i really doubt that 40B will be spent on the project. seriously.. are you that naive to believe that ? Fraction of that money will go who knows where.
Making public transportation ONLY in KL is not good enough. Rather selfish I must say. Many other places need help in terms of public transportation. What about medical care? Education? etc.. Are they to be ignored?
There is nothing wrong for such proposal if we are living up to par for such development. The problem here is that we're not. There are so many people out that that require help. In short, we do not deserve such development yet.
Dear M, wrong guy mate.
Well, after the fantastic NKVE, and KLIA (yes, its not yet at max capacity, but can subang airport handle the demand? a big NO), if your are still skeptical, then how can we develop further?
Btw, Companies like those dont really rely on local Human Capital, they have theirs already. Look at KLCC, occupancy rate is nearing 100%, these companies dont go dodgy buildings, they want to be a part of a world class infrastructure
there's a waiting list for the retail part of KLCC, go yourself mate, everyday so many ppl are there.
maybe your idea would need 15bil :)
Dear A thinker,
I do not know where u got the facts or maybe u were merely mentioning Suria KLCC Shopping Mall's occupancy rate.
As far as I know, KLCC itself is not 100% occupied. Whats more...there will be a supply overhang as KL city itself is only have an average of 70+% occupancy rate for offices. As a trained economist, this is not a healthy level as we need it to be closer to the 80% mark to spur some demand.
Again, you have missed my point. Building something like NKVE/KLIA was indeed a need for the nation. Building this however, is more of an ego boosting move that serves less (key word; not no purpose but LESS) benefits to the rakyat.
What do you mean when you mentioned that these big companies have their own human capital? U mean they'll bring their entire workforce to Malaysia? Whats the point of moving here if they have to bring their own workforce here? Are you trying to say that human capital is not important? Future Malaysians all turn to low-wage, unskilled, low skill jobs? Thats development? Ask yourself again if u're really a thinker...why are there hundreds of thousands of graduates who cannot get a job? Then ask yourself again, which uni did they graduate from? Most likely answer is those local uni's that are churning out thousands of graduates easily without any basic and simple command of the skills and language they require to survive in the business world.
What and how do you define a developed country? A country with 10's of 100 storey buildings but with super poor infrastructure and no intelectual ppl who have no access to education till university, no proper healthcare, and worst still no proper access to internet..water and electricity. Come on..unifi is 5mbps and we cheer like mad...this speed isn't even available anymore in other countries. Thats how far back we are..
This 100-storey building may or may not be succesful but I still think there are MUCH better ways to spend the money. I can't stress it again that major cities around the world do not need a 100-storey building to prop their economy and move it towards high income nation. We need proper developments..not another putrajaya. Again..a good project but is it worth the 10's of billions spent there?
P/S: It is not my intention to create any tensions here. Merely expressing and discussion. I respect the right of you having your own opinions if u stand by your point.
Cheers
We should fully develope the transport system first. Who will like to shop at congested or hard to reach public transport area. Already 10 year, I guess, I never step a foot on klcc. Take bukit bintang example, if not because they offer competitive price for IT product (lowyat) I wouldn't ever think to go there. That place are damn jammed.If the public transport are afforable and more accesible it will make whole lot different.....sometime i even opt to go less congested area to do my shopping or entertainment need....even it was further away..
Conclusion improve [public transport then on continue to dream on tall building..An extra note,if they want to built this tower,why not build the world tallest, instead this..at least we can gain some from the world eye.If this is fully funded by private sector i care less, but the location wise should be other state....
I used to enjoy your blog for a bit until this post.. Not because I am a Malaysian or a patriot..
but the fact that you called yourself an "economist".. I just couldn't help but to comment..
Probably you should equip yourself with more knowledge on financial monetary economics especially on fiscal/monetary policies before quoting yourself that.. and a good place to start is "http://www.economist.com/"
Evelyn, well said :)
Well, I bet Dubai is prospering well with that giant dick in a freaking desert. My friend, please la~ Do some researches on how this tower has contributed to Dubai. Other than buying most of the lots themselves to claim that there are high demands worldwide to occupy the building and making them to beg for money amid Dubai crisis, I could hardly see any benefits... Oh ya... Perhaps one glamorous night of opening is considered worthwhile... just like an adventurous and reminiscent 'one night stand'...
Hey~ it might be good for tourism. My backside la~ Presence of so many foreign workers (perhaps illegal) loitering in KlCC degrades the image our racist ex-PM proposed. OMG~ (He is now a Tun... Invincible...)
Consider this, a great city is certainly not about some giant, ego dicks. Instead, it is built upon its FORTES and developed through time. Just like Paris... Why Paris? Do your own research, guys~
You should stay away from blogging about things you don't know. In your whole development plan, you might as well throw in a space elevator and space runway like the one in New Mexico, "because it's going to bring in more tourists." Unfortunately, there's no cost-benefit analysis, and to be honest, I think your idea is worse than Najib's and I believe you will make a worse Prime Minister than him. Yours stinks even more of grandiose, lack of planning or understanding of the local retail/office/commercial market and I don't understand what your agenda is.
You throw out a "brilliant" idea about redevelopment and gentrification of old Kuala Lumpur, without so much as a clue as to where the revenues are going to come from. Rentals? That's a total joke. If the project was in the least economically viable, why doesn't the government auction off the land to the private sector?
You quote 10-12 million square feet of space? Look, I'm sorry I have to be this insulting, but you are a total moron. KL has 22.5 million square feet of retail space with occupancy of about 85%. Now, these numbers are reported by NAPIC, and the occupancy rate is a little misleading because of very low rents. Even our government has admitted during the Economic Transformation Programmes show-and-tell that the average rental in the Bukit Bintang area is less than RM400 psf a year compared to Singapore who is able to command three times that amount. So good job, you want to add more retail space to KL without the least bit of understanding about the property market. Go do some proper research first.
Thank you for all the nasty comments =)
I didnt delete any, did I?
Like what I said - it is merely a proposal and idea. An idea which I think CAN WORK.
At least we're looking at some long term tourism and property capital appreciation value - rather than the random "give the RM5bil to the people", "give out SCHOLARSHIPS etc etc", reduce INCOME TAX n so on.
If it was that easy, theres no such thing called work.
Ermm lotsa things goin on here too.
I believe alot of Malaysians are sceptical about this project coz we have been hearing about so much inefficiencies and reckless spending in our govt. No doubt.
I for one will not support this project until more and more details are shown to public.
However, I must say realistic arguments and some positive ideas need to be shared.
1. According to KLCC Holdings annual reports, PTT has always been 90%-100% occupied. A trip to Tower 2 entrance will reveal the key tenants there. Many of them are cool companies, such as Microsoft and Bloomberg.
2. KLCC Holdings is building a new tower next to PTT due to expansion of Petronas operations. Yes, more space needed. A trip to KLCC Lake will show you the progress of the 59storey tower.
3. According to real estate consultants, KL may be facing a shortage of Grade A offices in coming years. Oversupply will always be there, but companies will lined up for years to be tenants of Grade A buildings. Only the poor-quality ones will have less tenants.
4. Singapore has height restrictions, which KL also has but only for certain areas. That is the reason, why the three tallest towers in Singapore has around the same height.
5. I think we shud be thinking or predicting the future than talking about today's situation. Let the enterprises and business demand dictate it. I guess PNB is not stupid.
6. As an investment corporation, PNB does not do business that has low or unprofitable yields. I wouldnt want it to build roads, schools or help the poor. Those are the duties of the politicians.
7. And btw Morgan Stanley, McKinsey or watever not already has a presence in KL. Very small but imagine if they can come out to play like big boys.
dats all lah
I got answer for your idea, then I think, I vote for this project..
I think Malaysia is already on the map with KLCC, I'm not a fan of a 100 storey tall skyscraper, although I love skyscrapers, but we need to be reasonable. These things always cost more than expected and bring in less. Unless something over 600, even 700m is build, the world won't be impressed. Tourists won't go crazy about it. There are so many high-rises built in China and Middle East, it will be hard to impress anyone with a building below 600m and with some boring architecture. I'm fine, if it's built solely with private investment, though. But good job in elaborating the positive sides of the project. Don't get discouraged, just because people are against it, believe in your own ideas :)
people here are confused, they thought this project used money from tax payer. Guys, please notice that this project is fully funded by Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB). PNB is not in the business of building schools or upgrading roads and electricity supply.PNB is Goverment Link Investment Company (GLIC) who work as one entity to do investment. warisan mega tower is one of the property investment that will benefit ASB holder, ASN holder, ASW, etc. Hmm, one more, building schools, upgrading roads, all that works are GOVERMENT work, not PNB. Trust me, no ASB holder want their investor company bulding schools for investment. -_-"
im glad that im not the only one who thinks the Warisan Merdeka project is actually a good idea.
5B is not a small amount and yes our country has many many areas to be improved on. thats why the gov came up with a BUDGET.
PNB and our leaders are not stupid. there is a reason why they are chosen and not you.
Which building is built without objection or barking? Be constructive. Stop barking without giving real numbers (proof). Dont spoil the nation's name as you might be born from here too. What we call these barking animals? Betrayer.
I love it when someone finally explain about Warisan Merdeka and there were some constructive debate going on, determining either this is a good project; or just another wastage.
Well, my opinion is warisan Merdeka is not actually a government project, it is a project initiated by PNB, one of the GLC which cater to the investing activities; ASN, ASB, ASN and so on. Well, as an investment company, one basic rule is that they need to be able to offer dividends to those who have been keeping money or invest in their company.
Opening account such as ASN and stuffs and putting all the money there, that's investing. So, PNB need to do some business to give dividends to these people. I must say that this project is not using all the taxpayers money and such, it's a pure business. Those public who invest expect to get a higher return from their investment, so there you go, PNB go for something big so that they can provide that expected return to these people.
In the end, everything is just a pure business matter. My humble 2 cents :)
My memory is stil fresh with the loud barking sounds by those little dogs when the plans to build the Penang Bridge & the Twin Tower were announced years ago...I just wonder where are those little dogs now..or perhaps, they are now barking so the fed gov will inject more $$ to widen the bridge? Some people just don't have the talent to forsee the simple but bright future of this project while some are too academic in their poor analysis.. :)
Fire is a good servant but a bad master.
I have to say your ideas for the area are a bit Brave New World ("I see a lot of older buildings and areas - that perhaps, we should look at relocation to expand the land further"). Since the mosque alone gets a reprieve from you (together with the stadia - but surrounded by a podium to build offices on??) the suggestion is that the only justification for allowing any building to survive is if it is new. I think the prospect of developing this area is a very exciting one, but wouldn't it be more worthy if it incorporated and worked with many of the interesting historical buildings? KL is very rapidly losing two of the things that gave it character: inner-city greenery and forest; and a range of architecture from different eras with different cultural influences. New tower? Yes, by all means. But another dreary and over-large shopping mall cum office development identical to so many all over the world and soon to be disdained when fickle fashionistas grow weary and move on to the next hot spot? Are you serious?
While I'm at it (sorry, been out of the country four months) I wanted to congratulate Jasonmumbles for actually mentioning the subject of walking. Maybe he and I are the only two KL residents who ever walk anywhere, but I wonder how many of the people who complain about KL traffic actually consider NOT driving? I try to drive as little as possible but one of these days I am going to have an accident for my pains. Planners never think anyone might actually want to walk somewhere like Berjaya Square to Bkt Bintang, or change from the monorail to the LRT, let alone do it themselves, so they have no idea of the narrow, smelly, dirty and uneven obstacle courses they put us through. How about a thought for pedestrians next time you make an architectural proposal, Eric? And not just overpriced air-con 'walkways' please!
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